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Interested
Contents How to tell if a girl likes you
She always talk about the different kind
of guys they COULD have. She gazes in your eyes with deep interest
and her pupils are dilated. Building a bridge ASF: "YOU are interested in her, SHE appears interested in you, what you need is a bridge to open communications.Think up some credible or not so credible story & get over there and knock on her door. You could tell her you're thinking of buying a dog and ask here advice, you could say you've noticed she drinks beer & you know of a good supplier, you could tell her you're doing a survey (you have a PC, so make some convincing looking questionnaires), you could tell her you're selling insurance or anything. It doesn't matter: you know its bullshit and she knows its bullshit. If she's receptive, as appears, it doesn't matter, she'll play along - that's one of the reasons why god put bullshit on earth. Ben S. mindlist: "Go up there one evening and bring a shoe or shirt or something. Knock on her door. When she answers, say, "Hey, you, I was just passing by and I noticed this shoe here. Is it yours?" Well, of course she'll say no, and then you smile and reply, "Oh, hmm, well, I guess it must be mine then. So what're you up to?" Then chat a little more and then run an SS pattern on her. Or chat a bit more and then sit down in her doorway and continue talking as if everything is natural. She'll notice and laugh and either invite you in or else ask what you're doing. You can then reply, "Oh, I was getting a little tired standing up, but we're having such fun talking that I decided to rest a bit so I could put all my energy into making you laugh." She'll smile and either sit down to continue talking or else invite you in. Even if she's busy, the above should make a cute impression,
and you can follow up with an SS pattern to ask her out to coffee."
If you like more than one girl "In a case where you are receiving vibes from TWO chicks, especially related ones... consider EXTRACTING BOTH! The point is that if you choose either one the other one will feel rejected and unwanted. Use whatever you can - "Have you ladies seen the...",
"Look, a picture booth... I've never taken a picture with an aunt
and niece before... let's go" - do whatever you have to do to get
them both away from the group. Once you get away, STAY AWAY! Either both
will stay with you and you can chat them up and display personality, OR
only ONE of them will go back to the group. This way they effectively
decide amongst themselves which one gets you instead of YOU picking one
and rejecting the other. If they BOTH try to go back to the group, say
"Oh cum on. One of you stay with me:)", that should start a
debate as to which one will stay and which will go." Reading the signs of a "committed" woman I met this chick online and got her to agree to meet me to play some pool. She was *really* hot. I also did a really good job of conveying personality... I got in some good negs, some humor, some teasing, it was very playful, and also some light kino. See the whole time she is talking about how she is a Christian, and she works for Campus Ministries, and she has a FIANCE, and how they're not just DATING, but they are COURTING and how special it is, blah blah. She also says how busy she is because of school, and that if I'm going to see her, it'll be on her terms (ha!) so at that point I thought, screw this, I have better things to do with my time. She invited me to a mechanical engineer (her major) party that friday and I turned her down. She messages me a few days later and talks about how she got drunk and stoned at the party and how she went home with some other student and got her brains fucked out. She hopes she isn't pregnant, she doesn't intend to tell her fiance, etc blah. Based on the story above, here are commentaries by Odious on what were/are the signs of a married or borefriended iow "committed" woman being interested in you. Odious, ASF: "OK, having been with married women before, there are 3 key signs that she's hot to trot and ready to step out. 1. She will "open up to you" and tell you what IS NOT happening with her man. This goes for married women, women with boyfriends... all of them. She will tell you flat out what it is she is missing and what she wants. When she starts telling you how he's not cutting it, she's letting you know that door is open. Now this woman did this, but it sounds like she was being subtle about it. She said they were courting, not dating... what the hell is that? I think that meant "we have a commitment but he's not fucking me." 2. If she's interested, she'll create opportunities for the two of you to be alone together. I had a woman who I didn't even realize was interested in me, come over to my house to study and work on a paper... because her computer was on the fritz. The thought that she was hot for me did not even cross my mind until she started asking me my opinions on the meaning and value of marriage "what would you think of a woman who cheated on her husband... with you... right now!" 3. She knows when he'll be around or not, so she'll want to call the shots as to when you see each other. She obviously did that one. However, don't count yourself out just yet, because she is still giving you a subset of the first sign (which was - telling you what is _not_ happening with her man). She may tell you about other sexual exploits - if she cheated on him before, or if she cheated on an old boyfriend etc. So this woman is hitting all the signs. She's opened up to you, she's making time, she wants to call the shots as to when you get together, and now she's telling you she cheated. The next time you see her, or talk to her - act like you think her cheating is no big deal, that you respect it when women can go for what they want. I have also found an attack on the sexist nature of the whole idea of monogamy to be very effective: It is completely sexist and hypocritical. I think you should listen to your heart and your desires, and see where that leads you. To me, that is the only way to go. Fulfill your desires, and seek pleasure. With me, that's what's important. Pleasure is a gift, indulge it and you become a more fulfilled and complete person." etc." NYC explains why "committed" women are actually quite easy both to approach and even get "very friendly" with:) "Women that are "taken" are different from women that are single in that they are either LESS PICKY or MORE HORNY. Single women are either looking for more than just dick (MORE PICKY) or they have less of a sex-drive so they don't REQUIRE a man in their lives unless he's just what they want. A chick that is "taken" gives herself to
her boyfriend so he can fuck her. Now the pressure is on the guy to perform.
Unless the guy is still HOT for the chick, the sex is routine or most
importantly... ORGASMLESS for the woman. When she meets you, she feels
that DESIRE to be with a man. She feels YOUR DESIRE to please her and
take your pleasure from her. It is that ROMANTIC kind of interaction that
she doesn't get from her "boyfriend" coming home, turning on
the TV, watching sports, feeling her up for a second (lack of foreplay
is a MAJOR turnoff) and fucking her until HE cums and falling asleep.
As long as she feels like she can get away with it and still have her
hum-drum relationship intact, she will fuck you. You would be surprised
how many women are "taken" but nowhere near SATISFIED! Ray Parker
made the point that HBs are NEVER without a man. They keep the one they
have until they hook up something new. Then they skip off, so if you are
waiting for an HB to become SINGLE, you can forget it! Capitalise Apart from your usual pick-ups though, you might have gotten a girl interested in you in the midst of your everyday chores - maybe a co-worker, a neighbour, a fellow student, a girl at the cashier. To capitalise would mean NOT TO LET THAT WINDOW OF OPPORTUNITY CLOSE! She is already preconditioned to liking you, so why let such a perfect opportunity slip? As for how to detect such an opportunity - you should know the signs of interest (see Reading body language for more details). She initiates contact, calls, emails or starts a conversation with you, smiles, asks questions etc, or reacts to your initiations more happily than before or more happily than your average indifferent girl would, giggles with her girlfriends when you pass her by, draws hearts in her college-block while sitting beside you (now you're not chasing high-school girls are you?:). But she won't stay interested forever. Any day (or night:) a new prospect might catch her attention and even without the threat of competition, her interest for you could wear off any moment, no matter what the reason. Even if not really having seduced her purposefully, if you detect her interest (and most probably she is doing her best to let you know:) and she is also quite to your liking, do end her suffering and extend a helping hand A girl that has developed an interest in you independently in the course of a few months is no different from a girl that you just met and helped realise that you are the man of her dreams ten minutes from meeting her - they both need guidance or else they might get lost. But you need to begin right away - don't wait for some non-existent "right time" to approach her or ask her out (hopefully you're past any such thinking though:) or for her to make the first move (she WON'T, and if you don't make the first move she will eventually dismiss you as an ignorant chump or think you're not interested and in either case - she'll move on). Believe me, if you already noticed the signs of interest, SHE IS interested! And don't even try to dismiss them as random friendliness or your imagination, if you noticed them, they're for realNow once you know she is interested - capitalise on it! Don't forget to make a timely exit NYC: "Even the most interesting guy can run out of interesting shit. Stay with them until you have demonstrated personality and made them laugh and are at a high point... then CUT THEM OFF. Tell them you have to do something or it was nice meeting them or whatever and you would like to continue this conversation sometime under quieter circumstances. If your job is done, they will give you numbers and you can leave the group... EVEN IF IT IS THE BEST THING GOING! You can come back later if you want, but you already have their numbers in case they leave or you need to rush out or catch a chick that wants to fuck right now! Even if you have to exit the bar and take a stroll and then come back having done nothing for ten minutes, IMO, closing at a high point and returning later on is MUCH BETTER than talking yourself out and leaving nothing to the chicks' imaginations that makes them want to talk to you in the future Closing - the kiss close and the number close
The #close The conversation with the girl is going well, but eventually it has to end.Main objective obtain her number. Example 1 You: "Why don't we continue this somewhere else and see how much we can enjoy each other's company?" In response she might offer a change of venue (if she mumbles "your place or mine?", then boy! either she's real easy or you're real good:), but more probably she's gonna offer a phone number so the two of you can set up a meeting later over the phone. Notice, that you didn't ASK for her phone number, it was her idea to give it to you, thus framing you in her mind very differently from when you would have asked for the number. Example 2 You: "So..what steps would we have to take in order to make sure we can talk again?" If a change of venue is highly unlikely, this one is a more direct wake-up call for her to usher you her number. Example 3 "Let's do xxx together. I'll call you" Update. Example 4 (Taken from "Sweep women off their feet...":) "Just abruptly look at your watch if you're wearing one, or if you don't have one ask for the time right in the middle of your conversation. Once you get the time make up an excuse that you have to go right away. Be polite and tell her how much you enjoyed this conversation and that it was your pleasure to meet someone like her and walk away. then walk back ask for her number when you and her can get together agian and chitchat again. Refining the close (originally suggested by Mystery) When you do the #close, don't just trade numbers, accompany it with a humorous "But when I call you, I don't want you to answer "Huh? Who? Ah its you ee so howzit going ", I want you to act really enthusiastic and happy, like "Oh, you called! God I'm so glad!!", ok? Is that a deal?:)" This ends the close on a very light, friendly and positive note plus automatically kick-starts the phone call on that very same note:) Additionally you can end the phone call in the same manner: "So when we meet, I want you to smile, give me a big warm friendly hug and take my hand:) Deal:)?" End the phone call and start the meeting with these and you'll have removed many an obstacle from your path to being one with the girl:) Update. (Taken from "Sweep women off their feet...":) "Whether you are going to call her or vice versa, make sure that you set up a date and time for the call. Don't just say that you'll get in touch sometime soon. Set an exact time for [calling]." Update. Maxim (http://maximmag.com): Politeness is always a good thing. A simple handshake
and I enjoyed meeting you, Id love to talk to you again, with a suggestion of a specific exhibition or a show to see is great.
That would make me feel like a guy has it together. Whenever possible though, aim for the *close, the #close will follow naturally plus it'll have much more meaning for the both of you:)
But there are a number of situations, where things are not that clear, you're not sure if she is in the mood or things have not been too going well etc. Of course, you have to pick your situations - for example you can't start asking for a *close in front of her friends or relatives (she might even be dying to kiss you, but she just can't do it in front of others - that's why extracting her / separating her from the others is so important) - but you should always aim for the *close nevertheless. Don't use a "Can I kiss you?" line - its indicative of your supplicating tendencies and puts her too much on a pedestal from which its easy for her to reject you. Instead, use the Mystery-style "Would you like to kiss me?" and go for the kiss if the response is anything but a blatant "NO!". Don't expect a "yes", you'll hardly ever get it (but if you did, you can fairly safely assume the same answer to a "would you like to make love to me?":). But the lack of an outright refusal ("I don't know ") usually means that she really would like to kiss you, but she's just processing the situation as kissing has both social and personal implications and she's not quite ready or its not a comfortable place for her to do it etc, but never mind all that, say "Let's find out" and go for the kiss - she'll enjoy it:) Update. Veroxii, ASF: "After doing some fluff-talk with a girl and getting some rapport and light kino going, I ask her if she likes local or foreign guys better, because I prefer foreign girls over local girls (which is a lie!:). Then after her "But why?" I tell her it's because local girls don't know how to kiss properly. I think you guys can see where I'm going with this... After a little bit of an argument (because they actually do kiss quite well), I just grab her and say "so let's find out!" and give her the full tongue action. Sidenote: you need to have at least some kino going before this, or she might freak out." Asking for a date? So what you do, is suggest a get-together, preferably somewhere where you two can talk, see each other and touch each other undisturbed. Try not to set on weekend nights,why?The time itself suggests a more date-like occasion Dates on weekdays benefits You imply that you are busy on the weekend. In other
words, you are involved with other girls. if you SUGGEST a casual meeting and offer her a time and place, she'll first have to think, what she's doing at that time, and if it turns out she's busy (she might very well be), she is much more likely to offer another time and / or another place. Either way, you're much more likely to get yourself your get-together:). ""You really caught my attention and thats why I'm talking with you now". Wait for her to reply and then say, "I'm the type of guy who can't hold back his emotions and if I didn't ring and talk with you I just wouldn't have been able to sleep tonite". You need to deliver this in a fun sort of way so its not too corny but it is what they all love to hear. If she says to you that you ask girls out all of the time don't get thrown. You say this: "Well, yes I do go out with a lot of girls because I'm picky". Wait for her to talk. She will most likely say: "How can you be picky if you go out with a lot of girls? It doesn't make sense." This is where you will win her over by saying: "When I find the girl who can keep me interested then I will stay with her. I need to go out with different girls to give myself a chance of finding her. Otherwise I would have to just stay at home and I'll never meet my dream girl will I?" By ending this with "will I?" you put her in a position where it is her turn to answer and any reasonable thinking girl will agree with what you are saying. Women want a man to be able to teach her things and to be the decision maker. In the majority of marriages you will find the man is at least 51% in control. Most women want their man to be smart and the one in control so if you win a conversation like this one early on then you will be in a good position to land her if you want to. . Women don't want wimps but they do want a guy who is sensitive and can talk about his emotions. If you say you couldn't sleep if you didn't call her you are adding charm and showing what a fun personality you have. Personality and charm will win a girl over good looks more times than you thought possible. You actually ask the question about you both going on a date together. You ask her out and you also give an approximate time for when you should go out together. You don't want to give her a yes or no answer question rather you want to give her a question about if the weekend is suitable. This can get you a lot of dates when the girl may not have even planned on saying yes to you. She is not thinking about whether or not she will go out with you now but whether or not the weekend will be all right. Your assertiveness can throw your targets thinking off balance for just enough time to make a date with her. Once you get her to say yes it is very hard for her to turn around and cancel the date. Set the mood when she is high and excited close the conversation
after securing a date and make her drool. Inviting the girl over to your place Three different scenarios of inviting a girl over to your place as either a continuation of a date or the two of you just hanging out together will be discussed below. The basic premise of all these scenarios is the assumption that you have already been spending some time together that very same evening - either you have had a date, or met at some party (wedding, reception, birthday etc), or a nightclub/bar/pub. But now that the party is about to end, or the pub to close, or you're almost done with all the prescripted "dating" activities (be it movies, restaurants etc) - what next? Scenario 1 Fluff talk. Facts talk. Then some more fluff talk. You steer the discussion to whatever seems to hold her interest and you know you have exhibits of at home - arts and literature / you have lots of books on them or paintings, statues etc; music / an records collection; movies / books on movies or a movies collection etc. Now you can quite casually somewhere in the dicussion mention "You know I have a great [book/collection] on [whatever]". And when the time comes, you can say: "Well, why don't you come to my place and check out [whatever] I was talking about. I could show you [this] and [that]". She turns you down. And this was the whole point of the first scenario. She turns you down, thus it really doesn't matter what you did or didn't do. The sneaking up to a cheap pretext to throw her way is just one example of the wrong way to do it. There are countless more and AFCs all over the world are doing it daily, failing miserably and getting laughed at by the girls behind their backs. In conclusion - she didn't even accept the invitation. But I'm not telling you yet, how to avoid being turned down - read the next scenario:) Scenario 2 Fluff talk. Feelings talk. Onto the value and personality demonstration method (aka seduction technique:) of your choice. You can see that you are making her feel good:) She smiles, laughs, has a puppy-face, etc, things are going well. You might even be having some slight kino (touching hands, maybe holding hands when walking in the streets etc). She has got to be into you:) So up comes the topic of going to your place, for whatever reason, could even be the lame "I'll show you this book and that record" pretext of the first scenario. And she agrees:) She comes to your place because she likes you and trusts you. But... um... well you like her and trust her too, otherwise you wouldn't have asked her over:) But that wasn't exactly your point:) Oh well, you proceed to work your magic - make her feel good, relaxed, at ease, connected etc. But sooner or later there comes a time of revelation for her - she might be about to see more than just some book. Once she has had that revelation, she can either decide that she wouldn't mind that at all and in fact she would like that very much:) ...Or she might first freeze up from the shock and horror of the unexpectedness of that revelation, then panic and finally flee. In conclusion - she accepts the invitation, but there are no assurances as to whether she also decides to stay or not. But I'm not telling you yet, how to avoid being run away from - read the next scenario Scenario 3 Fluff talk. Feelings talk. Onto the value and personality demonstration method (aka seduction technique:) of your choice. You can see that you are making her feel good etc, everything starts out just like in the previous scenario. But there's modification to it - instead of slight kino (holding hands etc), the two of you will have much more intimate kino. That means stroking her hand, hair, waist, holding her and then the ultimate test - kissing. Actually kissing serves a double purpose: a) As already mentioned, it serves as the ultimate test - if she is reluctant to kiss you when you're hanging out, there's good chance she will also be reluctant to kiss you when she comes to your place. Kissing of course is a huge decision for a girl, so if you wan't to test her willingness to also stay in case she decides to accept your invitation at all, you must first make the kiss for her as comfortable as possible - you'd better have already had previous kino (hugging, stroking), be in a more secluded place or in a place, where she feels its ok to kiss (so this could also be in the middle of the dance-floor of a nightclub, where things like that occur frequently) etc. If she refuses a kiss, don't give up yet, see the suggestions on kiss-closes in Closing. If however she doesn't seem to want to kiss you, there's little chance that she'd accept your invitation as well, for now she knows what it really is she has to decide about when considering your invitation. You can still try of course, but I'd say that if she accepts to come to your place after having refused a simple kiss... you've got yourself one strange girl:) b) Aside from being a test of whether or not there would be any point in inviting her over, kissing also serves as a mighty powerful aphrodisiac. She might be willing to come to your place anyway, and she might be willing to kiss you, but she might not be thinking in terms of staying a bit longer than it would take to check out a few books. Having started kissing with you however will definetly sway her thinking in the horny direction so that she might even start thinking about doing it with you tonight without you ever mentioning anything about... going to your place "to check out a book or something":) But when you finally do that, she'll be more than happy to accept:) In conclusion - no turning you down, no coming over and then fleeing, but a girl who knows what to expect and expects what she has come to know:) And that is the kind of girl you want to "show your books" to:) So remember - kiss-test/arouse her first, otherwise you'll be just shooting in the dark. Update If she has second thoughts
To "help" her decide, when she already wants it, you can try these pattern-like approaches: Ross Jeffries: "We shouldn't do it, and we shouldn't enjoy so much. And please don't try to convince me, that you'd really want to do it now with me, this is the way I see it " "Have you ever met someone (sp) and instantaneously feel such a complete attraction for him (sp), that you feel like you just _have_ to do something about it? It's the kind of feeling, that you just have to get near that guy and you know, that even if you never see him again, you'll be happy with all your choices and you'll always cherish the pleasant memories?"
Update. The following strategy is designed to eliminate any possible second-thoughts she might have before she ever has them. For that purpose you will have to give her what Jobet Claudio from Mindlist calls The Mental Escape Hatch: "When closing the deal with a woman, always, and always, and always provide her Mental Escape Hatch. More often than not a woman will have an internal conflict about fucking with someone who's not her boyfriend or husband. This may stem mostly from societal programming and no woman will want to have herself labelled as a "tramp", either by herself or by society. Thus it is incumbent upon you to create a Mental Escape Hatch for a woman. In simpler words, give her an EXCUSE to have sex with you. In effect, she must be able to retain her self-worth even after she's had the tremendous experience of doing it with you. And you do that by creating a mental escape hatch, an excuse, or a scapegoat upon which she can point blame as to why "it happenned". That excuse can range from the lame to the profound, but it doesn't matter too much. Just do it and give her an excuse - give her an excuse to fuck you. The right way to do it is to present something that could be interesting to her. "Hey... wanna see my Picasso collection (owws?)... I've got a wonderful collection of rare love music in my pad... wanna listen to them and maybe we'll go for a nightcap... then I'll walk you home (subtitle: in the morning)?" Then of course there's alcohol. A great excuse for many. You drink a couple of glasses of wine. You fire off your NLS routine. She falls for it and you make love on the couch. In the morning, she can always tell herself "Ohh...must have been the wine". Great huh? A mental escape hatch. An internal excuse. It allows her by shifting responsibility to someone or something else other than herself, to retain her self-steem. And if you know what you're doing, don't and I mean DON'T try to break down her excuse. More often than not, the mere fact that she did it with you one time is already an excuse for her to do it again. Mental Escape Hatches can be used in the pre- and post-fuck stages. As a pre-fuck routine, it disarms resistance by presenting different motives other than sex. As a post-fuck routine, it ensures that the woman won't feel bad about "doing it" and you wont get something akin to buyers remorse. For example, with one of my partners, I asked her "Hey...
I've got Sleepless in Seattle at home. Wanna watch a home movie with me?
There'll be popcorn and some wine". She went. We did it. Mentally,
she would say to herself "We never intended to do it... we just went
there to watch a movie, but I got so swept away by my emotions from the
film... so when he kissed me it just felt so right" My home is my love-nest Have your home prepared, all the time, for all sorts of events:) Because you never know...:) What you need: A warm enough temperature, more or less warm enough for
nakedness:) Networking and pivots Here's a rule never to forget: ugly girls have ugly girlfriends, mediocre looking girls have mediocre looking girlfriends and yep, you guessed it:) - beautiful girls have beautiful girlfriends:) Networking in the context of this guide is getting to know every beautiful girl's girlfriends - either she introduces you to them, they want themselves to be introduced to you by her or you hang out together and you get to know them naturally and then you move on to those girls and their girlfriends:) This is why it is important not to lose one single girl - you will not only lose the girl but also a chance to meet all her female friends and their female friends etc. What do I mean by losing? The most glaring example is her "LJBF"-ing you (no, you won't be "friends" with her and get to meet all her friends this way:). Naturally, if you play it right, it will never happen to you - she either falls for you completely, or when you see that you're not getting anywhere you cut your losses before she notices anything (and has a chance to LJBF you), or she simply is not up to your standards and you LJBF her instead. Besides being LJBF-ed you could lose a girl in a number of similar ways - negging a sub-9 who'll hate you for it (see neg hits), confronting her with a proposal she outright refuses ("can I buy you a drink?", "wanna dance?", "your place or mine?":) - all of which communicate you a message of "I don' want you" ("at least not now" or "at least not this way" or "at least not here" to be more precise:). keeping girls as pivots has the added benefit of letting you be seen with girls. This makes other girls envious and intrigued about you, and presents you as a challenge as opposed to you being alone, thus "easy" and a bore plus a "looks-like-nobody-wants-him-anyway". So get to know beautiful girls and their girlfriends, hang out with them, network, make them your pivots whenever appropriate. One word of caution though - don't forget that "being friends" with beautiful girls and making them your pivots is not your GOAL, it is only a side-strategy:) Update A Few Words of Advice About Pornography and Dating Single Women | Bad Vocabulary Habits That Can Cost You Dates With Single Women | How to Create Stronger and More Romantic Relationships With Single Women | Head Games Single Women Play to Test Your Relationship | How to Handle Rejection From Women How to Seduce Single Women With Candles, Incense, and Fireplaces | If a single woman is not as sexually interested in you for romance | Should You Have Sex With Single Women Early in a Relationship? | The Top 10 Dining Etiquette Tips to Impress Single Women When on a Dining Date | Where to Meet Single Women During the Holidays | Why You Should Avoid Getting Involved With Walking Wounded Single Women | If more than 1 girl is interested in you | Insights to women players | How to seduct niteclub gals method 1 | How to seduct niteclub gals method 2 | Giving compilments should you or shouldn't you | Hook up and shut up seduction technqiues | Isolate or musturbate | How to be a nice guy and still get laid | Eight charcateristics a man must posses to score with woman | Dating & love tips | Read body language Hot | Flirt Hot | players rules Hot | players tools | Handling the girlsHot | General rules Hot | Getting started Hot | ApproachesHot | Interested now What Hot | nightclub and dancing | group tacticsHot | Neights| Eliciting valuesHot | sexual talkHot | boyfriend problemHot | Troubleshooting|
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