getting started

WINDERSPORTS.NET

Welcome to Winder's

Seduction guide

This site is about the topic seduction and tips that i have learnt . I hope through this site you could gain valauble experience and information regarding seduction.

Getting Started

Contents
On confidence - and getting started with approaching girls
Experiment - practise makes perfect
Casual meetings vs pick-ups - the pros and cons
At a party - attack those who seem lost
Just say "Hi" - you don't always get a 2nd chance
Talk to girls - everywhere
How to initiate a conversation
Talking to her = echoing he
Fluff talk - the essential skill of talking about nothing, and how to evolve from that
The "don't"s of fluff talk - what to avoid
Reading body language - read her like a book
Mirroring - how it works
where to meet girls
general guide to approaching
importance of 1st impressions

On confidence and getting started with approaching girls

Try approaching every HB you see and say, "Hi"

Concentrate on feeling good and natural and before you know it - "confident" is how you'll be perceived by women

Update. When seeing a girl you'd like to approach, Think of the way she will have goosbumps from the way you'll make her feel good, and if you want to, then for just a split-second you can remind yourself of all the ways you could make her cum

Experiment

Try to do hands on with tips provided here try it and see instant results.

Casual meetings vs pick-ups

Girls love to meet their prince charming casually and by chance. eg like meeting you at a private party (a birthday or a wedding, being introduced to you through a mutual friend, having common interests (hobbies, sports etc).

But whether you want to make the girl like you having met her casually or doing a more direct pick-up, you'll be using the same techniques nevertheless. Opting for a casual meeting just simplifies your task of getting her to like you and has a higher probability of her coming to expect a LTR once things get serious (whether you like or want that to happen is already a different subject), whereas pick-ups are tougher to pull off successfully, but they also broaden your choice of girls far beyond those that you happen to meet "casually" plus each failure and succcess will build your experience and confidence respectively far more than casual meetings could ever do.

For me i prefer pick up as its more challenging and u can pick up anywhere everywhere.

At a party

After you arrive, you can go with the 3s rule (recommended) or alternatively, Don Diebel: "Grab some food or a drink and notice what seems to be going on socially, what the dynamic seems to be, etc. The people who seem lost will be the easiest folk to flirt with. If you want to, you can assume that everyone is socially nervous, cut them some slack if things initially seem awkward and look for ways you can make people more comfortable.

Just say "Hi"

You see a girl you like, but for some reason can't do an approach (you don't have the time, or maybe the guts, or the situation disallows it etc), at least do this - say "Hi". Keep enough eye-contact to get a confused "Hi" in return, then continue with what you were doing (walking, working etc). Maybe you'll never see the girl again. But if you do (oh joy and behold!:) - say "Hi" again. INTRO yourself make it looks like u knew her for a long time.

just say "Hi" to any girl you like. Yes, any girl and anywhere - the commuter, the street, the airport, the corridor, the cafeteria.

Talk to girls everywhere

If you look and feel great, then you won't have any trouble with this. If you see a girl, looking in the window of a store, waiting for a bus, sitting on a train, in the next aisle of a movie, shopping in a department store, and for any reason this girl appeals to you, strike up a conversation, start talking to her about anything that comes to mind. With more experience - #close or *close right there, in the street. So set yourself a goal of talking to girls at the supermarket, laundromat, at a concert, while standing in line at the movie, sitting at the bar, on the bus, standing in the street, in the elevator, just anywhere and everywhere.

"The most important thing for you is to talk to women everywhere, about anything until they no longer intimidate you. Don't think of them as beautiful woman juz treat them as your buddy and you will feel more at ease.

How to initiate a conversation

Ask some kind of OPEN ENDED approach question (it will normally begin with the word 'what').
Have at least one other OPEN ENDED follow up question, preferably more than one, to defend you against stalling.
By the time you've reached this stage. providing your questions were interesting enough, you are "in conversation"
Before point 1) above, you are a stranger & the woman is wary of you. At point 2) she's still wary, but talking. By the time you've hit point 3) - and it doesn't matter if it's one woman or a group - she/they have more or less accepted you and seem to drop their barriers a lot. All in a couple of minutes.

To continue. If the HB is a talker, paraphrase her and ask intelligent questions. Then ask some cheeky questions, maybe neg hit & get some of your own stuff in. If she's a listener, you'd better have something ready to talk about [or you're gonna CRASH and BURN] - a tale or two about your interesting and humorous exploits (laced with SS of course) that moves gently from being innocent into being more and more risqué. Throw in negs if you need."

Talking to her = echoing her

Girls want to be understood. In order for her to feel understood, you need to listen to what she says, rephrase it and feed it back to her Now this strategy is already quite effective on its own but combine it with using trance-words and she's gonna levitate right in front of your eyes:) You have to take something she's said and paraphrase it and present it as an original thought or opinion."

Fluff talk

Fluff talk is an important part of approaching a girl.

The number one rule of fluff talk is - direct the conversation towards and talk about FEELINGS. What fluff talk usually ends up being is an exchange of facts - "where ya goin?", "whatcha doin?", "what did you do today/yesterday?", "oh that's interesting". Facts are a BORE! Giving you her facts makes her feel NOTHING. Neither has she any use for the facts you are giving her. So grab any opportunity you have to get to feelings!

"So what did you do yesterday?"
"Oh I went skating"
"You like skating?"
"Yes"
"Makes you feel good?"
"Yeah"
"I know what you mean..."

And you go on to describe skating as the most liberating, beautiful, earth-shattering experience (that's what making up patterns on the fly is all about:). Or have her describe you her feelings herself, if she is a talker. Voila - you've switched from fluff talk to patterning in a blink of an eye:)

So the ability to fluff talk is essential, get them reveal feelings is the key.

Always be prepared to mirror the statements they give you ... if they reveal something personal about themselves, you can reveal something that's personal to you .. perhaps not the same thing, but something similar. This will feed the rapport between you as a relationship begins to develop.

Also, if things aren't progressing so well with one person,don't stay with one person so long, You can always return later.

The don'ts of fluff talk

Originated by Don Diebel)

Do not talk about any of your personal (family, work, money) problems.
Don't act desperate.
Don't talk about anything negative at all. Keep everything you talk about upbeat and positive.
Don't get drunk. This really turns women off and makes a bad impression. Don't drink at all or limit your drinking to a couple of drinks.
Don't try to analyse her problems.
Don't bitch about your previous girlfriends or ex-wives on how they mistreated you, dumped you, cheated on you, took you to the cleaners on child support, etc.
Don't pretend to be funny or humorous. If you are putting on an act, it will come across to her as phoney. Just be friendly and smile (but in appropriate doses, avoid having a grin on your face ALL THE TIME, guys that are smiling for hours in a row look terribly insecure and just plain pathetic).
Don't focus on your health problems or ailments.
Don't brag about yourself and your accomplishments. There are exceptions though, but try to be careful about them. If you really have something impressive to talk about, you can let her in on it, just try to be real casual about it. On the whole, women are very good at sniffing out when the male is trying to impress them by bragging. And if what he is bragging about is not really that impressive, it's a complete turn-off. So be careful. Focusing on her and her interests is a far safer route to take.
And at all costs, avoid these three themes: politics, religion and conspiracy theories. These are guaranteed to nuke your otherwise wonderful interaction.

Reading body language

But look for these signs to show you whether you're already making progress:) It's also fun to look for these signs as a by-stander, either in everyday situations

Her lips
Big smiles with upper and lower teeth showing with a relaxed face.
Biting of the lips or showing of the tongue, licking her lips or touching of her front teeth.
She wets her lips, some women use only a single-lip lick, wetting the upper or lower lip, while others run the tongue around the entire lip area.
She puts her fingernail between her teeth.
She protrudes her lips and thrust her breasts forward.

Her eyes
She gazes in your eyes with deep interest and her pupils are dilated.
She raises both eyebrows exaggeratedly for a couple of seconds, Often combined with a smile and some eye contact.
She winks at you while talking to you or winks at you from a distance.
While talking to you, she blinks more than usual, fluttering her eyelashes.
Eyebrows raised and then lowered, then a smile indicates interest in you.

Her hair
She pushes her fingers through her hair. This can be one hand movement or more of a stroking motion.
She twirls her hair around her fingers while she is looking at you.
She is throwing her hair back off her shoulders.

Her clothing
If she is wearing clothes that show her nipples underneath and you notice they are getting perky and erect.
The hem goes up to expose a little more leg.
She is fixing, patting or smoothing her outfit to make herself look better.

While she is seated
She moves in time to the music, with her eyes on you.
She starts sitting straight up and her muscles appear to be firm.
She is sitting with her legs open.
She sits with her legs crossed in a manner to reveal her thigh.
Her legs are rubbing against each other.
Her legs are rubbing against the leg of the table.
Her crossed leg is pointed towards you or if that same leg is rocking back and forth towards you.

Her hands
She exposes the palms of her hand facing you.
While talking to you, she rests an elbow in the palm of one hand, while holding out her other hand, palm up.
She rubs her wrists up and down.
She sits with one hand touching one of her breasts.
She rubs her chin or touches her cheek. This indicates that she's thinking about you and her relating in some way
She is fondling keys, sliding hands up and down a glass, playing with toys or other things on the table.
She plays with her jewellery, especially with stroking and pulling motions.
She touches your arm, shoulder, thigh, or hand while talking to you (in case you already haven't started kino yourself, dumbass.
She is pretending to look at her watch as you pass her.

Her voice
She raises or lowers the volume of her voice to match yours.
She speeds up or slows down her speaking to match yours.
She laughs in unison with you.
In a crowd she speaks only to you and focuses all of her undivided attention on you.

Micellaneous
She mirrors your body language and body positions.
Her skin tone becomes red while being around you.
She blows smoke straight out from between her lips and toward you.
She leans over and speaks into her friend's ear, just like in junior high school.
She is standing with her head cocked slightly at an angle, one foot behind the other, hips slightly thrust forward.
At a party - every once in a while she seems to appear out of nowhere in your vicinity and if you move to another spot, soon she appears out of nowhere again, you catch her glancing in your general direction (actually, glancing at YOU dummy!:), she bumps into you accidentally, touches you accidentally etc:)

When talking to a girl, these are some of the more important signs to watch for
Can you keep conversation going with her?
Does she react well to kino?
Does she touch you?
Does she laugh?

From "Sweep women off their feet...": "All these signs usually tell you that the girl is captivated by your charms. But before you get there, chances are that her body language changes as the discussion progresses. Make sure that you watch her closely and as soon as you get a sign that should be an indication that you are on the right track, keep going in that direction. If the opposite happens, just change the subject and see what happens."

With beautiful girls you have to be on a lookout for the initial and thus much more subtle signs of interest. One example of this would be a gorgeous girl simply looking at your face. Obviously people tend to look at what or whom they like to look at. But whereas an average girl first just looks at your face and then progresses into the more overt signs of interest described above, looking at your face from time to time might be the only sign of interest you'll ever get from the most beautiful of girls.

So if you think you're not getting any signs of interest from beautiful girls - you are, but you just can't see them well enough yet.

I'M INTERESTED
Sidelong glance(s)
Looks at you a few times
Holds your gaze briefly
Downcast eyes, then away
Posture changes to alert
Preens, adjusts hair, attire
Turns body toward you
Tilts head
Narrows eyes slightly
Smiles
Matches your posture
Eyes sparkle
Licks her lips
Thrusts breastseep talking
Alert, energetic
Pupils dilated
Gradually opens posture
Lowers drink
Touches self gently
Caresses objects
Crosses and uncrosses legs
Flashes of palm
Crossed legs steady
Dangles shoe on toe
Hands never touch face
Touches you any reason
Feet firmly on floor
Loosens anything
Leans forward
Steady hands, feet

DON'T BOTHER ME
Never sneaks a peek
Fleeting eye contact
Looks away quickly
Looks away, eyes level
Posture unchanged
Does no preening
Turns body away
Head remains vertical
Eyes remain normal
Neutral, polite face
Posture unchanged
Normal or dull eyes
Keeps mouth closed
Sags to de-emphasize breastsense, restless
Normal or small pupils
Posture remains closed
Keeps drink high
Grips or pinches self
Squeezes, taps objects
Legs remain crossed
Back of hand gestures
Swings crossed legs
Keeps shoe on
Touches face
Never touches you
Feet on edges or toes
Tightens anything
Leans away
Tapping, drumming

In Summary. Frequency of eye contact, the more the better. Amount of time she, or he, holds your gaze, the longer the better. How she breaks off eye contact, down before away is great! Shine of the eyes, the brighter the better. Direction of body, toward you, good, away, bad. Overall posture, erect and alert are good. Tilt of head, vertical is bad, increased tilt is great. Where the drink is held, high in front as a barrier, that's bad. Hand activity, clenched, squeezing or pinching is bad, open, caressing or stroking is great.

During courtship, the more open the other person's posture is, the more open that person is to you and your advances. And, the more open you are, the more likely the other person is to open up to you. First Conversation Signals. Men, pay attention to all the ways she communicates during the first few minutes as you talk with her.

Mirroring

Mirroring can be used as a tool for building rapport. Being similar or having someone similar in your vicinity creates a feeling of ease, comfort, being understood, protected So you can use the power of mirroring to create these feelings in the one you are mirroring, she'll subconsciously link all those feelings to you.

How, whom and from where should I mirror? Whom the girl you want of course How - assuming the same posture, doing the same movements with your hands, in all respects using your body in a similar fashion to hers. More aspects of mirroring are: following - doing the movements after she did them. Why? Because they NEVER NOTICE it! Instead, they feel more comfortable and relaxed in connection with you, and more drawn to you.

YOU can lead her too! Try it. Do a movement with your hands mimicking the parting of legs (this should be associated with something you are talking about, if it looks strange, she'll notice it and you don't want her conscious attention on your movements, keep her mind busy with what you're talking about). Watch her legs part:) Have fun:)

A technique of creating instant rapport by "faking" body-language.

Update. Maxim (http://maximmag.com):
“I love it when a guy sort of mirrors my physical behavior, like when I’m sitting across from him and I lean in to say something, I like him to lean in. If I’m talking really fast, and he can keep up with me, it makes me feel like we’re in the same place. If I’m being a little frenetic and he’s slow and relaxed and laid-back, I feel really far away.
—Carlie, 30, Salt Lake City”

Where to meet girls

Shopping Malls. The malls are always full of girls. Girls who work at various stores and shops within the mall, but also a lot of girls who go shopping or just hang out. Girls love shopping. T

Walk up and down the halls and look inside stores for beautiful clerks or shoppers. If it is a women's clothing store You can easily walk up to a girl (clerk or shopper) and ask her: "Excuse me. Would you be so kind to hold this up in front of you for a moment? It's my sister's birthday next week and you are about the same size as her and from what I can tell you have the same excellent fashion sense." Probe for keywords why she likes certain things over the others etc.

Once you have sufficient information of not only what she likes but also why she likes it you can start your charm. Expand the conversation to likes and dislikes in other areas of her life to get her view on things and so on. If she's a shopper you might want to act very quickly to finding ways for you to continue your conversation somewhere else, but if she works there she won't mind spending the time with you especially if it's not very busy.

--------------------------------------------------------------------

Libraries. you will always find young girls trying to do research for a project or homework.

These girls are usually very bored can use a break once in a while. If you provide a bit of a pleasant distraction they'll be more than happy to talk to you. You could be asking them for some help to locate a specific section or specialty book. Even if they can't help you out they will at least have to tell you that they don't know where you can find your book. But guess what? That is a conversation taking place right there. Ask them about their own work, interests, etc. Show interest, and let them talk about it for a while.

These girls like to show off their knowledge so they'll tell you more than you need to know about the subject. But if you develop good rapport at this stage you can easily continue this fascinating conversation elsewhere.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

Gourmet Coffee Shops. Before work, at lunch and after work these places are packed with girls. Sometimes the more packed the place, the better because you may have to share a table with "someone". If it's not very busy you can still ask to sit next to a beautiful girl. Just tell her that you don't like to sit alone and if she'd mind you sitting with her till you're done with your drink.

Talk about her favorite drink and why she likes it over regular coffee. Try and talk in detail about the different sensations and aromas. Women love descriptive talk in detail especially if it involves something that can even be compared to a sexual sensation.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------

Workplace or School/College. This is a more relaxed atmosphere for seducing women because you are not under time constraints. If you can't get her hotter than hot for you today, you can talk to her again tomorrow. You'll have much better opportunities to get to know her. In addition, if you work or study closely together for an extended period of time chances are that you will become attracted to each other anyway.

Restaurants with attached bars: These places are often great Tuesday to Thursday nights, around 6 - 8:30 PM. Especially upscale places, they cater to a professional crowd. Some VERY nice looking women looking to unwind after work. Also often these places serve as a meeting ground for women having bacheleorette parties.

Coffee houses: like Starbucks, Coffee Bean, Tea Leaf etc. Great from 8 - 10:30 AM every day of the week. After 9 AM you are more likely to get women who work in retail, outside sales like pharmaceutical reps, self-employed, students etc.

Supermarkets: M - F noon to around 1:30 PM as women on their lunch hours pop into buy things. Monday to Thursday 6 - 8:30 PM, Saturdays 10 AM to noon, same for Sundays.

Shopping malls: This is a no brainer. If they have a good food court and are near offices, then noon til 1:30 PM, M - F. Hit the food courts and forget most of the rest of the stores. Other good times: Tues - Thurs 6:30 - 8 PM and Sat afternoons.

Self-improvement seminars: Such seminars are LOADED to the gunwales with good-looking, SUGGESTIBLE women who are totally open to the type of themes discussed in any good Speed Seduction pattern. Same with most of the self-help gurus. Christ, ya don't even have to sign up. Just find out where they are being held, hang out in the lobby of the hotel and swoop in on the HB's during the coffee, pea and dinner breaks.

Gyms: The women are in awesome shape and usually quite adventurous.

Yoga Classes: Take a beginners class and you'll met lots of women, who are also VERY suggestible and open to "new ways" of thinking.

General guidelines on approaching

Use humour to get you started .most women LOVE a guy who can make them laugh

you can also make her feel good by complimenting her looks for starters (see Negging for why this is not such a good idea with a drop-dead gorgeous model-type babe of 10).

Getting her laughing shows that you are confident and don't take the process of meeting her too seriously. YOU are a fun guy, enjoying your exciting life and creating an opportunity for HER to step into it and have some fun too?IF she plays her cards right. Humor is a way to test to see if SHE has a personality. If she is a mean, unhappy be-yatch, why bother?
MOST IMPORTANTLY, LAUGHTER GIVES YOU A BEHAVIORAL RESPONSE from her that you can mention, incorporate, and future pace into HER IMAGINING CONTINUING TO HAVE FUN WITH YOU LATER!

Offer entertainment and confidence with speed.That's why its important to work quickly so that you do not take more time than is necessary to secure a chick (take her home or spend some quality KINO time with her on the couch/dancefloor somewhere). Getting numbers on their own is unreliable."

The 3 steps of approaching.

BEGINNING - preparation ... clothing, props, initiate an entertaining and interactive conversation (that is what an OPENER is all about).

MIDDLE - using entertaining stories and routines, you convey the humour, confidence and the other typical attractive traits, use NEGS to make them chase you, test them (stop conversation to see if they reinitiate it) and look for the indicators to see if closing is worth doing (like KINO, position and body language, laughter, etc), usually 3 positive indicators.

END - close or eject based on the indicators. Closing will stall when you don't realise that you will succeed with the close if you have witnessed 3 positive indicators. Decide on either the *close or the #close. If pressed for time, just #close... but try to kiss her goodbye on the LIPS if you have a little time, always KISS CLOSE.

Demonstrate value and personality

You have to demonstrate her something about you that she discovers to be of value for her.

So many guys think, that their mere presence and company is of some specific value to the girl - well it is not. If you sport a great face and/or big muscles, then your presence can sometimes be a turn-on for a girl - she likes the way the proximity of your face and muscles make her feel and thus your presence can be of separate value for her. But even the few times that happens, it will wear off fast if it turns out that that is all you have to offer.

Any time the girl is bored, disinterested, - you have simply not demonstrated enough value to her. Demonstrating the right kind of value and personality, the kind that she is especially looking for in a partner is not an issue at this point, you'll get to that when Eliciting values. Right now you simply need to get her attention by taking an educated guess at what she might be interested in - see Good traits to have and develop.

The importance of a first impression

In general, a woman makes a decision about whether or not she would like to sleep with a man very early during a first encounter.Note if a woman has decided that she is not interested in sleeping with you, no amount of pursuit or persuasion is going to move her.

All in all, there is nothing you can do to change her mind. Unless... you change yourself:) Should you be able to leave your old AFC habits behind and become a man, she won't be able to hold on to her old beliefs about you. Now that you're different and can make her feel different, present yourself to her anew and watch the fireworks:)

This however does not revoke the importance of a first impression. Women are used to making up their minds (about you-know-what:) according to their first impressions so changing their minds about it will be somewhat of a paradigm shift. You can make it happen, but with a considerably more effort on your part than if you had left the right impression on her the first time around (which she would have returned by leaving the right kind of impressions on you - her claw-marks on your back:).

Back to the Top

Your Ad Here

Click the button to inform your friends about this site.