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Boyfriend Problem

Contents

If she says she has a boyfriend
Alienating the boyfriend in her mind - Sayanora borefriends!
Boyfriend-smashing techniques - by NYC.
Boyfriend destroyer patterns 6 patterns

If she says she has a boyfriend

Don't ever, never, ever ask if she has a boyfriend!

Maybe she does, but wants to have a little fun - your prompting about a possible borefriend will put her off the mood, she'll move on to another guy and get what she came looking for anyway.

If however she blurts it out without prompting, it still doesn't mean anything. Maybe she really thought she wanted to scare you away, but she really didn't know what she was doing:) Take it humorously, be light-hearted and give her another chance:)

Examples:

HB: Sorry, but I have a boyfriend.
You: *Laughing* Hey, I just met you and you are already telling me about your problems?

ASF: "If I ask her to meet me somewhere and she says "But I have boyfriend", I answer with "If he makes you happy, then you could bring him along." Then I ask, "Does he make you happy?". I decide if I should follow up based on the response. Most have had some complaints about him which gives me something that I can work with later and a topic of discussion."

Update. Maniac High (http://www.pickupguide.com), ASF: "One reason she might be saying she has a BF is that she really does have a BF, likes you, but doesn't want to feel guilty about cheating on her BF. This is classical "chick logic" at work here and is good, because it means you are on your way to a fuck, even in spite of the BF... Basically this happens because she thinks that if she tells you about the BF now, she can relax and let you you fuck her anyways, since its "not her fault now" that she fucked you, because, she *did* tell you about the boyfriend, and you ignored it, ie. she "had no choice in the matter"."

Update. Use this one if the boyfriend comes up for the first time in the conversation. If she keeps insisting on it, move on to any other boyfriend smashing-bashing technique described in this guide. Mystery, ASF:
HER: I have a boyfriend.
ME: That's nice ... so anyway ....
REASONING - ignore the topic and so will she.

Alienating the boyfriend in her mind

Taken from "Sweep women off their feet...":

"We all know that not one person in this world is perfect. If you begin talking about relationships, feel free to discuss the little things that bother people in a relationship in general and later get her to give you examples of some of the things that bug her about her boyfriend or husband. At first she may not say much, but if she can relate to the day to day problems in a relationship that you describe in general the more likely it is for her to agree with you on some points. When she does you can get her to be more specific. Once there's a crack, amplify it.

At first sympathize with the situation and somehow try to find the positive in it, and how her boyfriend or husband can justify that particular behavior through love and so on. But slowly and surely as the negatives of the situation are amplified, abandon your understanding for her boyfriend/husband's behavior and begin to offer her an alternative. Tell her how you think things should be and make sure they favor her. Begin to act exactly as she would love her husband to act while still intensifying her disappointment (if not anger) with him. Now's the time to be there for her, and once you've successfully alienated her boyfriend or husband (even if only for the moment) begin your seduction from either the interest or even desire stage. When it comes to the last stage of your seduction, try not to bring up the boyfriend again unless she's the one who brings it up, and if she does, just re-enforce that alienation.

Along the same lines, when you are trying to alienate the boyfriend or husband, you should never say that they are bad and you are good, just show them how you think a wonderful relationship should be and how certain behavior exhibited by their boyfriends/husbands is at the very least questionable in a loving relationship. Questioning specific behavior is the easiest and fastest way to cast doubt over the entire relationship or at the very least his feelings for her.

For example, if a girl goes out with her friends on a girl's night out without her boyfriend, just question his desire to be with her. At first she will be happy and loving towards him because he is understanding and giving her the independence she needs, but when you question his motives for it she will begin to question them too.

"I know it's great to be able to go out with your girlfriends and have a good time, but would he not want to be here with you and enjoy your company and perhaps dance with you and kiss you at the right moment when a slow dance ends?"

"We both need some independence and he understands that I need to see my friends once in a while too."

"I understand independence and it's great, but being as beautiful as you are, is he not a bit jealous not knowing how many guys out there might try to pick you up, or does he not care about that possibility?"

"He trusts me."

"Does he encourage you to go out with your girlfriends often? You know my first impression would be that you are such a lucky girl to have such a wonderful boyfriend/husband, but my nature just won't let go of certain things that sound off tiny little alarms. Have you ever called him on your night out? Is he even there, or is this a good chance for him to go out with his buddies too?

"Even if he is, what's wrong with that? I'm out here with my friends?"

"Yes, but you're not guys. Do all his buddies have girlfriends and just go out for a drink? Or do they go out to pick up some girls? I'm not saying that he would do that, but if his buddies are, what exactly is he doing with them?

I must say that I admire that you have such an open relationship, I don't know if I could let you go if I had a girlfriend like you. I think I'd want to spend as much time with you as possible. How can anybody ever get tired and need a break from seeing you and whispering sweet little nothings in your ears? I guess I just don't understand, but it sounds like he must be a great guy. I'm sure that he is the kind of guy who would…(describe the most wonderful and romantic things a guy could possibly say and do to a woman), otherwise I know he wouldn't stand a chance of being with a girl like you. I know you must be the kind of girl who wouldn't settle for anything less and would never expect anything less from a guy. You are so lucky.

I'll tell you, a guy who would ever take you for granted even in the smallest way would have to be too selfish to even realize what he's got. But I know someone like that would definitely lose out to the competition because I'm sure any red-blooded guy in this world would do just about anything to be with a girl like you, and I'm not just saying that, I can point out a number of guys that have been just staring at you all night.

It must be such a wonderful feeling to know that you are admired, loved and appreciated isn't it? And I'm not talking about those guys, but the one at home, who in my mind questionably still isn't here with you."

If she goes to the phone at any time throughout the evening, that's a good sign. She's starting to question some of those things too and is looking for reassurance hoping that he is home. If he is home, chances are that the conversation will not go very well especially if he can hear the loud party atmosphere in the background. In addition if you were able to plant even the smallest seeds of jealousy in her mind, she will act in a way that would cause him to be defensive on the phone. If for some reason they have even the smallest fight, you've got a chance. Start treating her like she would like her boyfriend to treat her, and work on those desires and romance."

Boyfriend-smashing techniques

by NYC

Whether she has a boyfriend or not is IRRELEVANT... UNTIL you decide you are going to fuck her. Then you either need to bring him up and press her for the information where her relationship is lacking OR make her recall her boyfriend and how good he makes her feel and usurp the feelings for yourself.

If she injects the boyfriend into the conversation unsolicited, a simple diversion to whether or not she plans to marry him might be in order. I always use it if I decide NOT to bring him up and get her to talk about him favorably.

Another thing I like to use if she is DEFENSIVELY bringing up her boyfriend is "so where is he tonight?" If she doesn't have a good excuse like he is working late because he is a stock trader, I play her into a "he's cheating on you right now" mentality. Chicks can't stand that. PLUS they have to carry this with them from now on. I break down their BELIEF in what their boyfriend TELLS THEM he has to do.

Whether they believe me or not is irrelevant because they don't know me. All they do know is that they now have an alternative version of what their man is doing tonight and every night that he is not with her. After that sinks in, I talk about wasting time and wasting your life and passing up opportunities to do what you REALLY WANT TO DO just because of some bullshit you told someone one day, like "I am only going to fuck you" when they are out doing whatever they want. Then I bring up chicks that got cheated on and how stupid they felt when they were telling me about how they got played:)

You can see how it just strings along and breaks their BELIEF in their man. adding the effects of alcohol, you often get a flirtatious effect from the chick deciding to "get him back for cheating" when he was at work the whole time

Use ex-boyfriends: the chick had a BF, but wasn't satisfied with him. I took her back through a meta-state tour of her ex-boyfriends. The guys that really turned her on I brought her back to frequently. Basically, her boyfriend paled in comparison, and she remembered how HORNY she used to feel with guys and she just doesn't get that with him anymore. Suddenly, she wants a little kino... shoulder massages, back rubs, holding her from behind and kissing her neck...

Basically, if she claims a BF and that doesn't make you want to bail immediately... make her remember past boyfriends... make her remember that she broke up with them... make her remember that they were better lovers than her current BF... make her long for guys that she CAN'T POSSIBLY GET HER HANDS ON but she remembers being in their arms and how much she wanted to please them and how much she wanted them to touch and please her. Once she realizes that boyfriends are a passing thing, she will NOT want to waste the opportunity to get a blessed release from all the sexual feelings you have just aroused in her... and YOU'RE IT!:)

Boyfriend Destroyer patterns

Pattern 1.

Ross Jeffries:

"You're sort of seeing someone? As you're only sort of seeing that image of him in your mind, notice what happens as that image gets smaller and darker only as fast as an image of you and me being together having lots of fun gets big and brighter right there in its place.

Now as you look at that picture right there, doesn't it seem like something you really want. Oh yea, in fact, doesn't it seem like something that's already happened and there's no point resisting it cause it's too late to do anything but smile that smile of deep satisfaction and know this is going to be incredible. Oh yea, great, so when can I pick you up?"

Pattern 2.

Ross Jeffries:

"Well, look I really enjoyed this, and I'd like to talk to you again sometime? Can I call you? You have a boyfriend?

Well, I have to admit I'm disappointed, I have to respect that you're in a relationship. But let me ask you a something. How surprised would you be to find yourself actually looking forward to spending a little time with me? I mean, maybe to the point where you could imagine us over coffee, laughing and having the best of time, and you starting to feel really comfortable with it? As you think about it like that, doesn't seem natural to meet like Monday or Tuesday for coffee?

Pattern 3.

What a never-ending monologue:) But if she's a listener, you'll do fine:) Ross Jeffries:

(This one would require that you already talked about sub-modalities beforehand) Oh you have a boyfriend, I understand, and you know, I have respect for that, I do have to appreciate it cause its rare to find someone who you can be with and that's a cool thing.

But I also know that you can be in a relationship one minute and the next minute, you don't know what has happened. I'm sure you have experienced that, haven't you? Yea, so well lets take this guy for a minute, lets imagine this guy (point to the palm of your hand), lets say you're going out with him and then you break up with him. Have you ever broken up with someone?

And then you suddenly start to look back on the relationship and notice the things he does that you can't stand. Like maybe he leaves the cap off the toothpaste, or he ignores you or does any of those other things that generate all those feelings of being let down, bored or disgusted or all those things that represent that in him and you get to the point where you just can't stand it anymore. You got to break up with him. Did that ever happen?

Oh yea! Maybe you even look back on the relationship and you become obsessed with the things you hate about him. Till you get to the point where you think to yourself, god, what did I ever see in him. Has that ever happened to you?

You know, the whole thing is, that entire process can take months and months, but I'm wondering what would it be like if that entire process were to take place instantaneously in your mind. It would be like if you try to (wave your hands in her face) see his image in your mind, you couldn't do it. It would be like something unknown was simply breaking it into pieces, you know. Its like you couldn't see his image in your mind anymore and that's the first sign that will let you know that you're already starting to find him a lot less important (cover the palm of your hand).

Now that's a sad thing when you put someone behind you, but its also a happy thing. Cause when that happens you open yourself up to someone new (sp). You allow someone new to come inside . . your sphere of influence and penetrate your thinking. Now that's a great thing to make that connection and only feel good right now.

(transitioning to Incredible Connection) You know, when you connect with someone its like there's a cord of light going from you to them. And as that just starts to glow with the warmth of that connection, and as the depth rich warmth of it just spreads to where you want it to go, its like you want to create an opening, an opening for pleasure an opening for connectiveness and desire. I mean, what's it like when you're with someone who oooohhhhh, you know, really knows how. Isn't that a great thing. Now you may be surprised to find that as I talk about that, you start to have certain images and I don't know what those might be and I won't ask you cause the content might be a little personal, but as those pictures get bigger and brighter oooohhhh you start to add in those sounds that make you feel perfect. You may begin to realize there's something you really want and you got to have it. I mean, have you ever woken up and really had to have something. What's it like when you want something so bad that you just feel filled with the desire in a way that just makes you feel perfect.

Sometimes when someone has upset you, its best to forget about them. You know when you think about that, when you forget about something or someone where does it go? Like someone you use to know a long time ago, or what about something you wanted to be when you were a child and it never came to fruition. Have you ever used Windows, 95 or 98 / a Macintosh computer? Do you know how you put something in the trash? Now try to remember something you wanted to be when you were a child... Was there something you wanted to have or something you wanted to be? (she might answer "a dancer" or "a model" or "an actress"). Ok, you could still become one some day, but point to where in your mind you see that idea right now. That's like the recycle bin in Windows / trach can on a Macintosh! (Or just imagine, if you were to put something in the trash in your mind, just where would that trash thing be located).

So just take all those thoughts about him, if fact, you may find that the image of him, for some unknown reason, powers itself, sneaks itself, down there and stays there. And any thoughts you might have of not listening to me and obeying everything I say, you may be surprised to find them going right down there as well. That's right. (Point to where her boyfriend's picture has moved) Seeing it from this perspective, I invite you to notice how you might feel - you were so wrong about this guy. Have you ever thought you loved someone and then you suddenly realise for some unknown reason you deeply love someone else (point) much much more. And when that's happening its a sad thing in a way, but also, its a good thing..."

Pattern 4.

This one is easy (equals good:), especially when compared to the hog above.

Kevin Kupal, mindlist:

"It's amazing how YOUR MINE works you know. I mean, people never really realize how to control their emotions, but it can so very easily done! Wanna bet? Hokay...

Well... remember a time when you were utterly humiliated... when you just wanted to bury your head in the ground and disappear... as if the whole world were laughing at you... do you feel that now? (wait)... okay...

Imagine that I can take that feeling, collect it all in my hand (wave in front of her chest, as if collecting waifs or whiffs of air), take it all out. and quash all of that bad feeling in my hand... concentrated in all its bad emotions in this very small space, and I take this away from you (take hand away). Makes you feel so much better now, does it not ?

Her: Yeah...

NOW, can't you see... it's easy to make people FEEL VERY GOOD. WITH ME, it's a natural thing to do. Can KEVIN (point to the hand with the bad feelings) do that?

Pattern 5.

Not really a destroyer, but will probably get her thinking about the status of her borefriend.

Jake Thomson, ASF:

"You have a boyfriend. Well I must stay I certainly disappointed, but I know how nice it is to have someone who can fulfill your every desire, exactly the way you need it fulfilled, who can communicate with you at the deepest core of your being, exactly the way you need to be communicated with. And since it's obvious that's the case here, might I inquire when is the wedding? I mean, since he's meeting EVERY DESIRE you have, exactly the way YOU NEED IT FULFILLED, you must be planning on marriage, right. That way you can spend the REST OF YOUR LIFE, just with him, forever and ever and ever. That's so sweet. [if she mumbles "um... no wedding yet", transition to a close]"

Update. Pattern 6.

From an unknown source:

Her: Well, I'd like to go out with you but I'm seeing someone.

You: Right, I appreciate you being straight with me. Thank you. And as much as I wish it weren't the case, I gotta tell I also respect relationships.

You: But you know, it's interesting, you can be in relationship one minute, and the next minute, you don't know what's happening. I'm sure you've experienced that, HAVEN'T YOU?

Her: Yes I have.

You: Its like you're going along and you suddenly start to FEEL UNCERTAIN ABOUT WHERE THE WHOLE THING IS GOING?

Her: Yeah, sure.

You: What's the guys name your going out with?

Her: Bill.

You: Right, so you're going out with Bill (point to your right hand) and you're enjoying it and all...and then say for some reason you break up. You ever BREAK UP WITH SOMEONE (point to palm of right hand) and you go through that period of mulling it over and you NOTICE THE PATTERNS IN HIM THAT RUINED YOUR LAST RELATIONSHIP... OR MAYBE YOU START TO LOOK AT HIM IN A WAY THAT REALLY MAKES HIM A LOT LESS ATTRACTIVE IN YOUR MIND?

You: I mean it's so weird how the mind does all this stuff, but what I'm curious about is what would it be like for a person if that entire process were to TAKE PLACE INSTANTANEOUSLY (snap your fingers in her face) in someone's mind? It'd be like (wave hand in her face) you couldn't see his picture any more in your mind. Every time you tried it'd be like something was just WIPING IT RIGHT OUT. And that's how you'd know that you've already started to FORGET ALL ABOUT HIM, to MAKE HIM MUSCH LESS IMPORTANT.

You: Or you know, is there someone you used to date, but now they're way out of your mind... you haven't even thought about them in a long time? Yeah? Well as you remember him, point to where you see his picture?

You: Right there? Isn't that interesting? So if you were to, FORGET ABOUT THIS GUY (hold your palm to where she pointed) it'd be like he GETS STUCK IN THE SAME PLACE. Now imagine Bill in the place you see the other guy. I think that, from this perspective, you REALLY CAN SEE SOMETHING IN HIM YOU DON'T LIKE... something that over time, would really cause you TO DUMP HIM.

You: And when that happens it's a little sad, but its also a good thing, because it allows you to CREATE AN OPENING FOR SOMEONE NEW. ME, I know that's how it CAN GO DOWN ON ME (point to your groin).

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